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Colin M34	May 03, 2013 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction Try http://sunroof.webasto.co.uk/ an enjoy enlightenment! Colin ps LR129 looks like a nice car. I think it will "zoom". Not for me I think...

Colin M34

May 03, 2013 11:38 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

Try http://sunroof.webasto.co.uk/ an enjoy enlightenment!

Colin

ps LR129 looks like a nice car. I think it will "zoom". Not for me I think...

TVJL	May 04, 2013 11:16 am
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction I think Webastos are both ugly and anachronistic. To my mind, they smack of the worst aspects of Britain's past - the world that gave us caravans, Berni Inns, Formica, Butlins holiday camps, and cravats. However, it doesn't matter what I think. What I made reference to was the fact that, in my view, the market doesn't appreciate the idea of car's integrity being imperiled by cutting a hole in the roof and inserting a crude bit of 1950s peculiarly English 'improvement' into it. Like Simon, I follow the market quite closely. In particular, I've made my own little study of this issue, having had this disaster visited upon my own 3 litre Mk2 by some kind person in the past. So, I stick by my assessment: the Webasto will reduce the hammer price of this Rapide over what it would otherwise have achieved, IMHO - best guess, by at least 10-15%. That said, I do agree with Colin when he says that the price may well 'zoom', nonetheless.

TVJL

May 04, 2013 11:16 am

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

I think Webastos are both ugly and anachronistic. To my mind, they smack of the worst aspects of Britain's past - the world that gave us caravans, Berni Inns, Formica, Butlins holiday camps, and cravats.

However, it doesn't matter what I think. What I made reference to was the fact that, in my view, the market doesn't appreciate the idea of car's integrity being imperiled by cutting a hole in the roof and inserting a crude bit of 1950s peculiarly English 'improvement' into it. Like Simon, I follow the market quite closely. In particular, I've made my own little study of this issue, having had this disaster visited upon my own 3 litre Mk2 by some kind person in the past.

So, I stick by my assessment: the Webasto will reduce the hammer price of this Rapide over what it would otherwise have achieved, IMHO - best guess, by at least 10-15%. That said, I do agree with Colin when he says that the price may well 'zoom', nonetheless.

David	May 04, 2013 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction Not sure I get your point Tim about Webastos being an anachronism if fitted when new (50 years ago!) by the factory. When rebuilding my car I had the option of repairing the Webasto or filling in the roof, and I chose to keep it, and I'm glad I did

David

May 04, 2013 5:00 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

Not sure I get your point Tim about Webastos being an anachronism if fitted when new (50 years ago!) by the factory. When rebuilding my car I had the option of repairing the Webasto or filling in the roof, and I chose to keep it, and I'm glad I did

TVJL	May 05, 2013 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction I'm not sure that I get your point, David. My understanding is that things can be both contemporary and anachronistic. By way of examples, I would cite string vests, teasmaids, and the Morgan Plus 4. I do not seek to denigrate those who favour Webastos or, indeed, any of the above (I, myself, like Morgans). However, all these things (and many others one could think of) are surely anachronistic and, to the eyes of many, without redeeming features. As i suggest, surely the only thing worth debating in this context is whether the addition of a Webasto affects the value of the car so encumbered and, if it does, to what degree? If that's right, isn't it fair enough to suggest that the bloody things are not popular in the market place?

TVJL

May 05, 2013 12:00 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

I'm not sure that I get your point, David. My understanding is that things can be both contemporary and anachronistic. By way of examples, I would cite string vests, teasmaids, and the Morgan Plus 4. Surprised

I do not seek to denigrate those who favour Webastos or, indeed, any of the above (I, myself, like Morgans). However, all these things (and many others one could think of) are surely anachronistic and, to the eyes of many, without redeeming features.

As i suggest, surely the only thing worth debating in this context is whether the addition of a Webasto affects the value of the car so encumbered and, if it does, to what degree? If that's right, isn't it fair enough to suggest that the bloody things are not popular in the market place? Grinning

TVJL	May 18, 2013 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction Circa £147k is a new high for a Rapide. Not bad for a cat 2/3 car with very poorly fitted bumpers and Jag wheels and spinners (and a Webasto).

TVJL

May 18, 2013 7:16 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

Circa £147k is a new high for a Rapide. Not bad for a cat 2/3 car with very poorly fitted bumpers and Jag wheels and spinners (and a Webasto).

randall977	May 18, 2013 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction Great result, the owner must be very pleased! It's a nice looking Rapide which has had a lot of work done to it, I think the Webasto is a period feature which suits it.

randall977

May 18, 2013 9:42 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

Great result, the owner must be very pleased! It's a nice looking Rapide which has had a lot of work done to it, I think the Webasto is a period feature which suits it.

SRD	May 18, 2013 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction I think it is a fabulous result for the vendor.

SRD

May 18, 2013 10:42 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

I think it is a fabulous result for the vendor.

TVJL	May 20, 2013 9:14 am
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction I think that they were actually touching the body (or as good as). I did try and take a photograph of the problem and will try and upload it later (though, it's not very good). I was wondering whether shimming would, or could, be the answer for 129. It seemed to me that the profile of the trailing edge of each bumper might be 'wrong' for that car, but I can't be sure. David, could you possibly upload an appropriate photograph of one of your bumpers for comparison, please?

TVJL

May 20, 2013 9:14 am

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

I think that they were actually touching the body (or as good as). I did try and take a photograph of the problem and will try and upload it later (though, it's not very good).

I was wondering whether shimming would, or could, be the answer for 129. It seemed to me that the profile of the trailing edge of each bumper might be 'wrong' for that car, but I can't be sure. David, could you possibly upload an appropriate photograph of one of your bumpers for comparison, please?

TVJL	May 18, 2013 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction It is a well sorted car - but, that's all. It isn't a stunning example, by any means. And, the poorly fitted bumpers and the wheels let it down. Oh, and this Webasto is not a period feature but a rather a relatively recent addition to the car.

TVJL

May 18, 2013 10:52 pm

Subject: Re: LR129 for sale at AML Bonhams auction

It is a well sorted car - but, that's all. It isn't a stunning example, by any means. And, the poorly fitted bumpers and the wheels let it down. Oh, and this Webasto is not a period feature but a rather a relatively recent addition to the car.